Athanasian Creed – “Now this is the catholic faith”

By | December 28, 2019


Link for “Keeper of My Soul” https://youtu.be/amEntTOmwMA

Whoever desires to be saved should above all hold to the catholic faith.

Anyone who does not keep it whole and unbroken will doubtless perish eternally.

Now this is the catholic faith:

That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity,
neither blending their persons
nor dividing their essence.
For the person of the Father is a distinct person,
the person of the Son is another,
and that of the Holy Spirit still another.
But the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one,
their glory equal, their majesty coeternal.

What quality the Father has, the Son has, and the Holy Spirit has.
The Father is uncreated,
the Son is uncreated,
the Holy Spirit is uncreated.

The Father is immeasurable,
the Son is immeasurable,
the Holy Spirit is immeasurable.

The Father is eternal,
the Son is eternal,
the Holy Spirit is eternal.

And yet there are not three eternal beings;
there is but one eternal being.
So too there are not three uncreated or immeasurable beings;
there is but one uncreated and immeasurable being.

Similarly, the Father is almighty,
the Son is almighty,
the Holy Spirit is almighty.
Yet there are not three almighty beings;
there is but one almighty being.

Thus the Father is God,
the Son is God,
the Holy Spirit is God.
Yet there are not three gods;
there is but one God.

Thus the Father is Lord,
the Son is Lord,
the Holy Spirit is Lord.
Yet there are not three lords;
there is but one Lord.

Just as Christian truth compels us
to confess each person individually
as both God and Lord,
so catholic religion forbids us
to say that there are three gods or lords.

The Father was neither made nor created nor begotten from anyone.
The Son was neither made nor created;
he was begotten from the Father alone.
The Holy Spirit was neither made nor created nor begotten;
he proceeds from the Father and the Son.

Accordingly there is one Father, not three fathers;
there is one Son, not three sons;
there is one Holy Spirit, not three holy spirits.

Nothing in this trinity is before or after,
nothing is greater or smaller;
in their entirety the three persons
are coeternal and coequal with each other.

So in everything, as was said earlier,
we must worship their trinity in their unity
and their unity in their trinity.

Anyone then who desires to be saved
should think thus about the trinity.

But it is necessary for eternal salvation
that one also believe in the incarnation
of our Lord Jesus Christ faithfully.

Now this is the true faith:

That we believe and confess
that our Lord Jesus Christ, God’s Son,
is both God and human, equally.

He is God from the essence of the Father,
begotten before time;
and he is human from the essence of his mother,
born in time;
completely God, completely human,
with a rational soul and human flesh;
equal to the Father as regards divinity,
less than the Father as regards humanity.

Although he is God and human,
yet Christ is not two, but one.
He is one, however,
not by his divinity being turned into flesh,
but by God’s taking humanity to himself.
He is one,
certainly not by the blending of his essence,
but by the unity of his person.
For just as one human is both rational soul and flesh,
so too the one Christ is both God and human.

He suffered for our salvation;
he descended to hell;
he arose from the dead;
he ascended to heaven;
he is seated at the Father’s right hand;
from there he will come to judge the living and the dead.
At his coming all people will arise bodily
and give an accounting of their own deeds.
Those who have done good will enter eternal life,
and those who have done evil will enter eternal fire.

This is the catholic faith:
one cannot be saved without believing it firmly and faithfully.

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Mr. Jesperson
December 30, 2019 3:55 pm

You posted this up here without any kind of explanation as to why. So I am just curious as to what motivated you to post this creed and what you actually think about it.

Mr. Jesperson
January 3, 2020 5:44 am
Reply to  2samuel127

The thief dying on the cross next to Jesus who was going to go to paradise the same day instantly comes to mind when you said that even before I read the passage. I agree that this statement goes way too far: “This is the catholic faith: one cannot be saved without believing it firmly and faithfully.” There are many who have believed throughout history but did not have the capability to know this much. In much of church history many had very little access to the scriptures. Some have believed in Jesus, but died too young to be able to really grasp these concepts. Some never can as in the case of severe mental retardation.

And I too have the same reservations about taking man made statements and elevating them on par with the Scriptures themselves. I would agree too with most of the creed. Although catholic and Catholic do have too different meanings. There is a true Church that Jesus’ knows that is catholic. But Catholic has taken the term and used in presumptuously and arrogantly as if that exceptionally corrupt institution is the conduit to salvation which it is most certainly not.

FYI, JMT was not always Catholic. He started out the faith being very anti-high church. I have his first two folk rock albums that I love. In one of them he takes the kind of swipe at high church like I would if I were a song writer. The song is called “would you crucify Him?”

Admin
January 4, 2020 3:02 am
Reply to  2samuel127

I had to look John Michael Talbot up! Thanks for the YouTube link above.

Janna L. Chan (blog team member)

Mr. Jesperson
January 3, 2020 5:53 am
Reply to  Mr. Jesperson

JMT lyrics and song here. This is my single favorite JMT song:

“Sometimes, in the cool of the evenin’
Truth comes like a Lover in the wind
Sometimes, when my thoughts have gone misleadin’
She’ll ask that same old question once again…
Chorus:
Would you crucify Him
Would you crucify Him…, my religious friend?
Would you crucify Him…, talking ’bout the sweet Lord Jesus
If He’d walk right here among you once again?

She’s askin’, How many times have you looked down to the harlot
Lookin’ through her tears, pretendin’ you don’t know?
For once you were just like her, how can you be now so self righteous
When in the name of the Lord you throw the first stone

So now I turn to you through your years of your robes and stained-glass windows
Do you vainly echo your prayers “say your pleasing the Lord?”
Profess the Marriage with your tongue, but your mind dreams like the harlot
But if the Judge looks to your thoughts can’t you guess your reward?

Yet how many times have you quoted from your Bible
To justify your eye for your eye and your tooth for your tooth?
You say that He didn’t mean what He was plainly sayin’
But like the Pharisee, my friend, you’re an educated fool!”

He acquaints “robes and stained-glass windows” with being a hypocrite like the Pharisees. Interesting how he has ended up with the passing of time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hCPKcskE3o

Samuel Conner
January 4, 2020 2:35 am
Reply to  2samuel127

In Romans 10, Paul presents a pretty minimalist set of “qualifications”: confess Christ as Lord and believe that God raised Christ from the dead.

Through the centuries, it evidently has been useful to raise additional barriers. Perhaps in the Age to Come we will be surprised at who “made it in” that we were not expecting.

Admin
January 4, 2020 2:58 am
Reply to  Samuel Conner

Thanks for your simple yet insightful comment.

Janna L. Chan (blog team member)

Mr. Jesperson
January 5, 2020 1:54 am
Reply to  Samuel Conner

I too suspect there will be many surprises to who actually gets in. But the reverse is also true when meditating on the messages Jesus Himself gave about the tares and the goats. I think there will be just as many surprises about who we thought for sure will be there and they are not…

Barbara Roberts
December 30, 2019 6:29 am

Hi Todd, in the video of the song, did you notice the crucifix with Jesus hanging on it? I did. And it bothered me. Only Roman Catholics do that.

Barbara Roberts
December 31, 2019 1:57 am
Reply to  2samuel127

Thank you Todd for your explanation. Much appreciated. 🙂 Bless you brother.

Admin
December 30, 2019 5:14 pm

I feel the same way Barbara, although I respect the decision of Roman Catholics or others to portray imagery that I may dislike.

Every time a video is posted here, some readers are offended by a portion of its content.

It’s great when people comment on that to stimulate dialogue, as you have.

What Todd said is the simple truth – he does not necessarily like everything in a video yet will still post it if its message is good.

It’s always good to hear from you, Barbara.

Janna L. Chan (blog team member)

Barbara Roberts
December 31, 2019 1:59 am
Reply to  Janna Chan

Thanks Janna. Just as you like hearing from me, I like interacting with you and Todd because whenever you respond to my comments your responses are thoughtful and respectful. 🙂

Barbara Roberts
December 31, 2019 2:00 am
Reply to  Janna Chan

Thank you Janna!

Mark Shriver
December 31, 2019 8:27 pm
Reply to  Janna Chan

“he does not necessarily like everything in a video yet will still post it if its message is good” So if the Devil speaks truth it will be posted.

Admin
December 31, 2019 9:55 pm
Reply to  Mark Shriver

Yes, if the devil provides proof that you are a child molester or support people who are, it will be posted.

Janna L. Chan (blog team member)

Admin
December 31, 2019 10:05 pm
Reply to  Janna Chan

You might also want to pick a different fake name Mr. “godly one.”

The real Mark Shriver is a prominent member of the Kennedy family, who operates an organization that helps children.

https://www.savethechildrenactionnetwork.org/who-we-are/leadership/

Janna L. Chan (blog team member)

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