Larry Vincent – Another ARBCA Fungiculturalist!

By | May 17, 2019

“Often the leaders do not want their followers to even consider information. Attacking the motives and credibility of a critic is an effective way to accomplish this. When members are conditioned by leaders to believe that information is credible only if the source of that information is acceptable, it is unlikely followers will seriously consider anything said by those ridiculed by the leaders. These victims become putty in the hands of these leaders.”
-Mary Alice Chrnalogar, “Twisted Scriptures: Breaking Free from Churches That Abuse” page 144

The word is getting out – ARBCA members around the country are beginning to realize that their “pastors” have not been honest with them concerning convicted child molester, Tom Chantry.  Members are disregarding pastoral pleas and exhortations urging them not to read media reports and blogs, but rather, trust their pastor! They are doing what I advise everyone to do – read all the information you can on convicted felon Tom Chantry and ARBCA’s nineteen year coverup and decide for yourself who is telling the truth.

I do not hide the fact that I am biased – I believe the victims. I am a truth lover. I have done my best to document this case with both court records and my own notes from sitting through the two trials of Tom Chantry.

Larry Vincent is also biased – he supports convicted child molester, Tom Chantry.

In fact, I would not be surprised if Larry Vincent is one of the anonymous notable Chantry supporters “who still believe in his [Tom Chantry] innocence regarding molestation accusations.” (Chantry has, in fact been convicted on 4 counts of sexual molestation of a child under the age of 15!)


I submit that the other side – Tom Chantry, his family members and ARBCA pastors, have done their best to obfuscate the facts and keep people from availing themselves of the available information.

Common sense should tell you that if one side continually attempts to persuade you to trust them and not read anything that contradicts their views, they likely do not have truth on their side.

You may also wish to consider the possible motives of the Chantry supporters. I would submit that, in the case of ARBCA pastors, they have a vested interest in keeping their positions of power and authority in their little fiefdom.  If church members discover that their pastor and his ARBCA cronies have known about Chantry’s criminal behavior for years and covered it up, they will lose trust in their pastor, ask some hard questions which the pastor will not have credible answers for, and ultimately quit the church. Every family that quits an ARBCA church (and it appears the ranks of former ARBCA members is growing) results in the direct loss of revenue for both the local church and ARBCA at large. If enough members withdraw their memberships from ARBCA churches men like Larry Vincent may be forced to actually get a job and earn an honest living.

My blog partner has made an interesting observation. She asks why it is that ARBCA pastors like Larry Vincent only seem to find people directly or indirectly involved with the criminal cover-up credible.

With that, let me get to an email Larry Vincent recently sent to members of his church.


 

From: Heritage Baptist Church <hbcmansfield@gmail.com>
Date: May 16, 2019
To: undisclosed-recipients
Subject: ARBCA GA Statement

Dear HBC family,

As many of you know, the former pastor of Christ RBC (an ARBCA member church), Hales Corner, WI, Tom Chantry, was recently on trial for molesting a child in the 1990s. He was convicted of all the criminal charges in that trial. The ARBCA General Assembly of churches, May 7-9, has issued a statement concerning this matter, with which your elders fully agree. You may read the statement on the ARBCA website: http://arbca.com/blog/post/statement-of-2019-arbca-ga

If you have any questions about this matter, please talk with your pastors. Above all, we desire to honor our Lord and obey His commandments. We once again exhort you to not give credence to those who have written about this matter who are not directly involved with it.

In behalf of our elders,
Pastor Larry Vincent


This letter is in line with similar communications I have been made aware of by ARBCA officials. (If any members of ARBCA churches have received similar emails from their pastor I would be happy to publish them without your names listed. My email can be found in the “About Todd and his team” tab at the top of the page.)

 




You may recall that on April 24, 2018, I wrote an article titled “ARBCA Pastors Once Again in the Middle of a Sexual Abuse Cover-Up.”

Guess what church I was writing about? If you guessed Larry Vincent’s Heritage Baptist Church in Mansfield, TX, you would be correct.

In that article I mentioned that Vincent’s son-in-law, Price Jones, also receives a paycheck from the family corporation. Jones is one of the “pastors” or “elders” of the church. You will note that in Vincent’s recent email urging church members not to read blogs like this, he signed it “In behalf of our elders.” So Price Jones is one of those elders urging you to not acquaint yourselves with factual evidence of the case of convicted felon, Thomas Chantry.

Price Jones also claimed that the sexually abused women who formerly attended Heritage Baptist Church were “hurling false accusations against us and against our leadership” and said the detractors are demon possessed!

The same Price Jones had an affair with a much younger woman who attended the church. The matter was handled secretly, as so many ARBCA scandals are, and the woman and her family were forced to leave the church.


Two days after I published my article, Price Jones wrote the letter below and emailed it to the members of Heritage Baptist Church. He quotes numerous verses from the bible, but one notable one he neglected to mention was 1 Peter 2:20

“For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God.”

A favorite technique the leaders of Heritage Baptist Church employ in an attempt to get the members to rally around them is to claim their church is being persecuted.

I have two points of contention with this claim. First, I don’t accept that pointing out the fact that Price Jones had sex with a younger woman who was not his wife, dealt with it in less than a candid manner and then forced the woman and her family to leave the church qualifies as persecution, nor was it in any manner denigrating or persecuting the good members of the church. Rather, I would submit that Price Jones was being treated as described in the first sentence of 1 Peter 2:20.

“The church is suffering greatly – by her own hands. Self-injury, whether by individuals or institutions, invariably involves faulty thinking that is born out of self-deception. Many of us are grieved at the wreckage in the church that occurs when victims are silenced, abusers are protected, power is abused and “truth” is disseminated to the less powerful. The body of our Lord is sick.”
-Diane Langberg, Ph.D. “Dear Church: Hear the Word of the Lord”

The same goes for the way the leaders of Heritage Baptist Church handled the case of the two women I wrote about in the article “ARBCA Pastors Once Again in the Middle of a Sexual Abuse Cover-Up.”

 

From: Heritage Baptist Church <hbcmansfield@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:39 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Recent Persecutions

Brothers and sisters of Heritage,

I know I’m preaching to the choir here, but in light of the recent persecutions I just want to remind you that Jesus Christ sits exalted on his throne at the Father’s right hand. He is sovereign. If every hair on your heads is numbered (Luke 12:7), so is every word published by our persecutors. Not one comment has been posted apart from God’s rule and oversight in this matter. If it had been for the good of our church for our persecutors to have been silenced, then the Lord of hosts would have sent his angels to stop them in our defense. As it stands, he has ordained otherwise. Shall we complain? Shall we be discouraged? I think not.

This is exactly what Christ said would happen. The cost of discipleship would be high (Luke 14:25-33). His Apostle speaking specifically to Timothy said “all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution” (2 Timothy 3:12). Christ said we would be reviled, and hated, and slandered, and all kinds of evil would be spoken against us for his name’s sake, and that the world would hate us because it hated him (John 15:18-25). He reminded us not to marvel or be amazed when these things happened, but to expect them (1 Thessalonians 3:3). He also instructed us to rejoice and be very glad (“leap for joy” were his words exactly) when it happened, because it is a sure sign that your reward is great in heaven (Luke 6:22-23). The Apostles counted it an honor to suffer for Christ’s sake (Acts 5:41).

And you are suffering for his sake. It is his for his sake that you come to Prayer Meeting… it is for his sake that you faithfully attend Sunday Morning worship… it is for his sake you seek to serve one another in love and good works… it is for his sake that you struggle against sin and strive for repentance… it is for his sake that you endure and stand together in love as Heritage Baptist Church. All this despite the fact in some corners our reputation is being tarnished and false accusations made against some of our leadership.

Why do you do it? Because you are convinced the gospel is preached from your pulpit. You believe the message preached here is not the word of men, but it is the very Word of God—a message that preaches repentance and forgiveness to sinners. Grace and peace to sinners. Grace and mercy for everyone who calls on the name of the Lord, but wrath and fury to those who do not repent.

So in all of this, brothers and sisters, do not forget that Christ is not only seated as a merciful and providential King ruling over all of these matters for our welfare and his own glory (1689 5:7), but he is seated as the Judge with whom we all “have to do” (Hebrews 4:13), before whom we will all give an account – including our persecutors! May the Lord, the righteous Judge, grant them repentance! May he open their eyes and give them understanding of the danger they are in – and the magnitude of his grace and love which is a refuge to all seek him! May they come to know that the LORD is God and a Savior (2 Chronicles 33:13). But if the Lord wills it not, then may their own wickedness come back on their own heads. May they be like Haman who plotted Mordecai’s demise, but he was hung on his own gallows! It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. But brothers, you should be comforted.

And what will be the outcome of all of this? Worst case-scenario? A spotlight will be placed on the truth? Attention will be given to one of Christ’s true churches? We will have opportunity to bless our enemies and pour hot coals on their heads? We will have opportunity to preach the truth to a host of lost “victimized” millennials? We will have the chance to spread the news that there is a Righteous Judge who shows mercy to sinners who repent, but turns the evil intentions the unrepentant have against quiet and righteous men back upon them? We will have the chance to call them into Christ’s liberating grace and away from the oppressive tyranny of the world?

But whatever the case may be, brothers and sisters, this is what we know: they mean it all for evil, but God intends it all for good (Genesis 50:20). He is able to take these false accusations and turn them into your spiritual blessing and eternal weight of glory.

I for one have been eager for heaven, but brothers and sisters, I long for it more than ever now. You know why? Because I can’t wait to get to heaven and see the heaps and heaps of heavenly treasures that will be yours as Christ repays you so much more than you deserve for this “light” affliction (2 Corinthians 4:17), which is your destiny.

And not only I, but all the saints of all time and all the holy angels will cheer on that day, because of the overwhelming and unmerited grace of Christ directed toward you all!

For your encouragement: Psalm 10, 35, 37, Romans 12:17-21, 2 Thessalonians 1:4-12 (especially v12), 2 Timothy 4:8, Hebrews 10:32-11:1, 2 Peter 1:11.

Stand Firm (Philippians 4:1),

Price

 


I’d now like to persecute the Heritage Baptist Church by publicizing another shameful letter written by their leader.

Do you notice anything missing in Larry Vincent’s letter?

If you said there was no mention of the victims you would be correct.

As a member of the 2000-2001 ARBCA Administrative Council, and then as a member of the church membership committee of 2015-2016, Vincent was certainly aware of the cruel, sadistic beatings Chantry inflicted on the young children from Miller Valley Baptist Church. He would have known that it was likely Chantry was inflicting these beatings for his own pleasure. Yet Vincent does not ask his church members to pray for the victims or their families.  He found a lot to pray about for Tom Chantry though, and I am glad to see his prayers were at least partially answered – truth and justice has prevailed. Chantry has now been convicted of six felonies, two counts of assault and four counts of molestation of a child.

 

From: Heritage Baptist Church <hbcmansfield@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 10:18 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Fwd: TC Trial

HBC Family:

As you know, we have been praying for former pastor Tom Chantry. His trial in AZ began last week and the prosecution rested its case yesterday. The defense case began and will continue through today and tomorrow, at least. Likely the jury will begin deliberation next week. The Chantry’s request is for truth and justice to prevail, as much as can be achieved in this age. Please pray for Tom and Karen, their three children being cared for in Illinois, and Tom’s parents, Walt and Joie Chantry.

Pastor Larry


In a recent letter Brent Detwiler wrote to Larry Vincent, he said the following:

“Larry,

Why do you continue to deceive the people in your church? Have you no fear of God or integrity before God? When are you going to tell your members that you were on the AC in 2000-2001 and knew all about Tom’s abuse of children? When are you going to humble yourself and tell your church you have covered up for Tom all these years? You never reported or stopped him. He went on to Christian Liberty Academy and continued to batter children. Of course, he is a threat. You are the one with no credence. Your attempts to control and manipulate people are failing. The Lord be praised. He has been faithful to expose you.

You have been lying for a long time. For example, below. The rate at which the case went forward had nothing to do with the fact he was “no threat or danger (quite the contrary).” You exonerated a sociopathic and sadistic sex abuser. Are you going to ask forgiveness of your church and FB friends for defending him? I can’t imagine given your arrogance and obsession with your reputation.

Furthermore, the statement by the GA is a sham. People around the nation know it. You are like Tom in your mania to lie and deceive. You are reaping what you have sown because the Holy One is not mocked by your pretensions and disregard for the victims you have oppressed.”


Larry Vincent – Facebook post
November 2, 2017

“I’ve been told that this matter regarding my friend Tom is blowing up again. Now is the time for waiting for the court system to work. Waiting calls for quiet and prayer for alleged victims and the accused; there has been *no* conviction. The case is working its way through the court system very slowly, in part because it is obvious that he is no threat or danger (quite the contrary).”


Additionally, Brent Detwiler wrote Larry:

“You recommended Christ Reformed Baptist Church for membership in ARBCA even though you knew Chantry had been under investigation for the previous eight months for aggravated assault and molestation. And then you and Administrative Council concealed this information from the General Assembly two months later when they approved his membership in ignorance. What unbelievable deception!

2015-2016 Membership Committee

1. Steve Marquedant (Chairman)
2. Larry Vincent
3. Dave Dykstra
4. Jason Water
5. Jeff Massey (Secretary)

It is all documented in this article:

That Larry Vincent is a good friend of Tom Chantry is not in doubt. I believe it’s also clear Vincent has a vested interest in keeping the truth of the ARBCA coverup of Chantry’s known crimes from his church members. I hope all members of Vincent’s church examine the evidence and reach their own conclusions.

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Hello All:

I’ve received an e-mail recently sent out to members of Larry Vincent’s church. Below is its text.

Although the alleged “slander blogger” referenced in the e-mail does not mind if his or her identity is known, I would prefer not to publish comments speculating about who he or she is as I don’t think that subject is relevant to the substance of the e-mail.

Thanks. Janna L. Chan (proud blog team member/new pharisee/slander blogger/bipolar sidekick/other general “insults” aimed at me by critics)

😉

Date: May 18, 2019 at 1:44:17 PM CDT

To: undisclosed-recipients:;

Subject: Meeting

Dear Saints of Heritage,

Your pastors had previously planned to have a special informational meeting tomorrow during the Sunday School hour to give you an update on the 2019 GA. Now that a certain slander blogger has apparently been given our church’s directory, some of you have now received a slanderous email encouraging you to distrust your pastors and to leave Heritage immediately. This makes a meeting all the more necessary so please plan to be there.

Thanks,

Jarrett

Anonymous

Jarrett really needs to invest in a good dictionary. Slander is an untrue defamatory statement that is spoken orally. Libel is an untrue defamatory statement that is made in writing. A more accurate title would be a libel blogger (or libelous blogger). However, in order to be slander or libel, the defamatory statement must be UNTRUE.

I agree with the substance of your comment. You are technically right about the difference between slander and libel, as well

However, I argue that colloquially the word slander is now widely used to describe both oral and written forms of defamation.

That’s why I default to using the word slander for any type of defamation.

Thanks. Janna L. Chan (blog team member)

Anonymous

Aw, don’t spoil my fun 😉 I too typically default to slander. They are so about technicalities that I couldn’t help myself.

Lol. Unfortunately, it was only a matter of time until someone said, “how come the moderators can get away with mis-using words but people who support (fill in the blank) cannot?”
?

Thanks. Janna L. Chan (blog team member)

Anonymous

Ha ha, that didn’t even occur to me. I guess I should have stuck to the fact that in order to be either the statement has to be false. I hope that the people in the pews will realize that there is more going on than what their pastors are telling them and begin to read the evidence.

Thanks, people in the pews can privately believe whatever they want to believe about anything. However, individuals like Jeff do not have the right to thumb their noses at secular laws, which everyone else in the United States of America has to follow.

I don’t care if existing members want to keep attending Larry Vincent’s church. I’m only hoping to discourage members of the public from even visiting it, because the church is clearly not a safe place for children, in my opinion.

Thanks.

Janna L. Chan (blog team member)

Headless Unicorn Guy

Picture at the top kinda resembles Gene Scott without the funny hats.
Probably not as entertaining as Gene Scott, either.

Ask Your Pastors

Regarding the ARBCA GA 2019 statement which concludes with theses words:
“Furthermore, we have initiated discussions to examine and reconsider the organizational structure and documents of our association in order to ensure that the intent of our Confession of Faith is realized in practice, namely that it is the churches who possess and exercise associational power through their delegates at the General Assembly.”

Stay tuned to find out what this means?

It means that ARBCA is afraid of lawsuits and wants to obfuscate how much control it has over the churches it rules.

I’m also open to the idea that it’s just gobbledygook.

Nothing brings about change like planning to initiate discussions. ?

Thanks. Janna L. Chan (blog team member)

Mr. Jesperson

As an outsider what this and other statements I have read from them about their particular “confession of faith” mean is that they are obviously holding this confession up as an idol. Jesus Christ is what saves not any particular confession made up by men. Indeed this “confession” was so important to them that they would gladly commit the sin of heresy and cause a totally unnecessary church split just so that they had something that they could now “Lord their authority over.” The actions and spirit behind this is pure anti-Christ. Jesus prayed that we would be one. Divisions are called “a fruit of the flesh” in the scriptures.

If one looks at this situation logically, it is evident that the true intentions behind “their confession” are being realized in practice. And that practice is just as evil as the original intentions were…

Ciaran

Bingo.

Confession of Faith = Apostolic teaching.

It is the theological spring from whence their authoritarianism flows.

Brent darkens council without knowledge

You pretend to care about victims and justice but this is only a christian hatemonger website. All you have to do is look at the posts and the reply’s to see there is no fruit of the spirit on display here.

Does that mean that you bothered to read either the posts or the replies? ?

Rather than leaving your lazy fruit comments here, why not set up a blog of your own?

If not, I’ll defer to Todd about approving your comments, yet think you’d be happier at this blog:

https://thecripplegate.com/a-new-kind-of-pharisee/

Thanks. Janna L. Chan (blog team member)

The council of what, dare I ask? You guys will be citing the Protocols of the Elders of Zion pretty soon.

Janna L. Chan (blog team member)

Anonymous

In case you are interested, the plural of “reply” is “replies.” 😉

Good catch, as this level of troll is probably cutting and pasting the same comment into many blogs.

Janna L. Chan (blog team member)

Brent Detwiler

This comment is from Jeff Wilkinson. He is a member of Larry Vincent’s church. Here is what he wrote me yesterday.

“I don’t know Tom Chantry, I never met him. If a court found him guilty, maybe he is guilty. Only God knows and not you. You don’t know anything other than details about what people say happened. Courts also do not always render a just verdict.”

And this what he said about his pastors (Larry Vincent, Jarrett Downs, Price Jones) and ARBCA officials like Earl Blackburn and David Dykstra.

“I will give my pastors and the other men you list [Blackburn, Dykstra] some of which I know and love, the benefit of the doubt on this issue. You say they covered something up, that is your conjecture. At worst, they are guilty of assuming innocence of someone not innocent and in the end they are men and fallible.”

Jeff is unwilling to study the evidence. Instead, he resorts to slander and defends the indefensible. He is ARBCA.

Thanks, Brent.

Janna L. Chan (blog team member)

Anonymous

Sadly, I know too many like him. It is our job to look at the evidence, not turn a blind eye out of loyalty to men. How else are we to identify the wolves?

I think that Jeff is a true nihilist. He believes nothing and has no purpose.

https://www.iep.utm.edu/nihilism/

One could make the same claim about several ARBCA leaders and pastors.

Janna L. Chan (blog team member)

E.P.

Not saying I agree with Jeff there, but I ask Mr. Detwiler: is it now totally cool to share private correspondence in a public forum such as this and naming the person it came from for the purpose of shaming someone who had nothing to do with any of ARBCA’s Chantry scandal but merely attends one of its churches? What other purpose could you have had for sharing this and not keeping confidential the name of the person who sent it to you? All you had to say to get your point across was that it came from a member of HBC.

So it’s fine for some people to remain anonymous (see JLC’s comment at the top about the unnamed so-called “slander blogger” referred to in the Heritage Baptist email), but we must publicly name and shame any and all private citizens who remain members of ARBCA churches or have ever at any time been friends with its pastors? That’s more than a bridge too far. And no, I do not attend an ARBCA church.

Thanks for your opinion. Brent is the “slander blogger” whom I didn’t want to name. Brent did not request anonymity.

I just didn’t want to read any more lazy anti Brent rants.

Most people here, like you, are anonymous and that’s often wise given how vicious ARBCA and similar cults can be toward any critics, in my view.

I’m afraid I don’t understand your overall point or sense of umbrage, in this case. Jeff viciously attacked Brent in an e-mail.

Jeff didn’t have to use his real name when corresponding with Brent, but he chose to. Why should Brent be obligated to protect the identity of someone slandering him on a blog?

Brent didn’t publish a portion of Jeff’s email until he was attacked on this site.

Also, why are you 100 percent on Jeff’s side. Do you agree with his belief that people should worship pastors?

Lastly, moderation decisions are often difficult to make and ultimately up to Todd.

You are entitled to your opinion, yet Todd and I will be disinclined to entertain any more critiques about how anonymity is handled on this site.

Please don’t submit a second comment only about that issue. You are welcome to comment about the subject matter of the article.

I hope you understand.

Thanks. Janna L. Chan (blog team member)

E.P.

I am not 100% on Jeff’s side and absolutely do not believe people should worship pastors. I also don’t believe a sentiment like “I will give these men who I have known and respected for many years the benefit of the doubt over somebody I’ve never met who just sent me an unsolicited email out of the blue harshly criticizing said men” is the exact equivalent of saying “I worship at Larry Vincent’s feet”. In this matter, no I definitely don’t trust what Larry or David Dykstra or others named there have to say about the Chantry situation or ARBCA’s handling of it.

In an earlier comment you shared the following copied email from HBC on May 18: “Now that a certain slander blogger has apparently been given our church’s directory, some of you have now received a slanderous email encouraging you to distrust your pastors and to leave Heritage immediately.”

Detwiler you say was that unnamed blogger, and in his later comment he quoted from an email he received “yesterday”, meaning May 19.

So if I understand the sequence of events correctly, Mr. Detwiler was supposedly given a copy of HBC’s membership directory by someone and directly emailed some or all of that church’s membership, prompting Jeff to respond to that email.

I don’t agree with Jeff, but that does not make it obvious to me that he should be fair game to publicly name in such a manner. That’s not a criticism of you or Todd or your moderation choices; I specifically asked Mr. Detwiler in my earlier comment what purpose he had in naming the man who had written to him and not simply saying, “Here’s an amusing reply I received from an HBC member”. Seems like if you’re trying to convince members of HBC to leave or rebuke their pastors, they’re going to be less likely to engage in any interaction with you or hear your arguments if you immediately share your correspondence with them publicly. That’s all I’ll say about that.

Fair enough regarding Brent’s decision to name someone who e-mailed him. I don’t agree in this case, yet I acknowledge your point.

I was also responding to your criticism regarding why I withheld the name of the slander blogger.

In retrospect, you are correct. That was not a moderation decision. I apologize for saying otherwise.

Thanks also for your thoughts regarding the content of Jeff’s message.

Thanks. Janna L. Chan (blog team member)

P.S. – anyone is welcome to e-mail me or Todd from the contact page about any concerns including moderation issues.

I’m sorry I was so grouchy about that subject generally.

Also, I am happy to ask Brent if I can give his e-mail address to someone who wants to correspond with him. He’ll say yes. Just send me an e-mail from the contact page.

Thanks. Janna L. Chan (blog team member)

I think that Jeff’s mentality contributes to a culture in which people were discouraged from reporting Chantry’s pedophilia and physical assaults to the police.

In that sense, I believe that he’s indirectly enabling crimes.

Thanks. Janna L. Chan (blog team member)

Also, please note that Heritage Baptist declined to name the “slander blogger” in their e-mail. I did not edit their message to make someone anonymous.

Brent seldom comments here but he will likely correspond with you from his Facebook account.

I can’t guarantee that, yet know Facebook is Brent’s preferred place for dialogue.

Thanks. Janna L. Chan (blog team member)

Why do you delete

JLC

You mention my name repeatedly but you delete every post I make.

Also, no one deleted the last 15 comments in question. They weren’t approved in the first place, because they weren’t compliant with the blog’s comment guidelines as seen here.

https://thouarttheman.org/comment-policy/

Janna L Chan (blog team member)

I only reference your name if someone else brings up an issue about something you wrote earlier.

If it will make you happy, I’ll refer to you as “that guy who anonymously trashed Brent in this post.” That’s a mouthful yet I’m trying to respect your request that your real name not be used.

I personally hope that no one else references you on this blog.

Also, the tone and content of the comments that Todd and I have not posted are really creepy. I’m starting to wonder if you ritually sacrifice chickens to your pastors, and I don’t want to know what’s in your basement either. That’s not a joke.

Needless to say, your comments also violate the blog’s comment guidelines.

No one forced you to comment here or guaranteed that you’d have a voice on this blog once you did.

Here’s a thought – why not post your responses on ARBCA’s forum? Oh, that’s right, ARBCA doesn’t have a forum through which people can dialogue openly. I wonder why?

Maybe your pastors can set up a forum for your church?

You can definitely set up your own blog.

You have other ways to vent your spleen as Todd said. It’s not his fault or mine that your allies skulk around instead of allowing open debate.

Janna L. Chan (blog team member)

Doo Wop Coke

Hoo boy. Talk about drinking the Kool-Aid! (See above!) Doo Wop Coke Fan

A former member

Yes, Larry is very arrogant. But he is also very maniplitive. He believes he is always right so he assumes everyone believes all that he says. Heritage has lost quite a few members in the last few years even before the Tom Chantry child molestation charges were made public. It has not been a healthy church for years. There are many people struggling to this day with forms of spiritual abuse. I am thankful for the church I now worship in and I pray faithfully for friends who remain at Heritage that there eyes will also be opened.

Douglas Belardi

I agree completely
we left August last year and sadly have not found a church where membership seems a viable option

Thanks much for this information.

Janna L. Chan (blog team member)

Jerome

ARBCA staff changes posted:

http://www.arbca.com/staff

New ARBCA Coordinator: Fred Pugh, replacing Steve Martin
New Seminary Administration: Matt Stahl

Longtime ARBCA secretary Vickie Bookamer and seminary professor Jim Renihan kept their jobs.

Fred Pugh goes way back with ARBCA, was on the ad-hoc committee with Walter Chantry that produced ARBCA’s first position paper in 2000:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/churchplantmedia-cms/arbca_carlisle_pa/revelatory_gifts.pdf

Thanks so much for this information.

Janna L. Chan (blog team member)

Anonymous

“Late Feb 2016: The Administrative Council was informed of the allegation against Mr. Chantry and discussed what effect, if any, the allegation and the report of an investigation might have on consideration of CRBC’s membership application.”

Fred Pugh was a member of the Administrative Council in the above quote from ARBCA’s Part 1 Report on Tom Chantry released last September.

Thanks for the information. I can’t keep track of all the evil councils to which I supposedly belong.

Janna L. Chan (blog team member)

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(Thanks to Pastor Steve Smith)

“IF you have been reading these internet blogs…write down any concerns that may be in your minds…we will be meeting with all of you…we are so sorry you are having to go through this…”

Translation: WE need to know what you are doing and what you are thinking. DO NOT discuss this with each other, there is another potluck to plan, above all, remember that Your Thoughts Are Not Your Own…you belong body and soul to Jesus Christ (I mean, in reality the way this actually works out is that your thoughts belong to your leaders. AS long as you believe in needing leaders and the necessity of following, I will maintain my lifestyle and my control over your reality. IS it ever right to lie (to your leaders)? Is it ever right to think for yourself?

ishy

I notice Larry claims not to listen to anyone who is not involved, but he doesn’t seem to want anyone to listen to the victims, either, only pastors or elders.

Cover Up

He meant only those involved in the cover-up

That’s a reasonable inference given that Pastor Vincent doesn’t say that his church members “may”(rather than using the word “can”) read any material besides ARBCA’S official statement, which isn’t even signed by individuals.

How are all the anonymous delegates at the ARBCA assembly directed involved with the Chantry matter?

Janna L. Chan (blog team member)

Ciaran

Also, keep in mind, this is the same HBC that now houses IRBS. I would also wager that full time faculty are members there as well.

Just sayin.

Yes, ARBCA leaders make some interesting statements. It seems strange to cover up crimes, and then maintain that no one can be criticized unless a secular court declares him or her guilty of a crime.

No one will be declared innocent or guilty of pedophilia if you bully abused children into silence, right Pastor Vincent?

And yes, Pastor Vincent discourages his people from reading material written by folks whom he says are not directly involved with “this matter.”

He only seems to find ARBCA statements worthy of credence. Therefore, is Pastor Vincent saying that you need to have direct knowledge of ARBCA’S criminal cover-up of Chantry’s crimes to be considered a credible source regarding “this matter?”

Is he concerned that ARBCA’s official statement make no mention of the cover up and possible obstruction of justice crimes that it has engaged in?

Why think when you can just order people not to think?

Janna L. Chan (blog team member)

Headless Unicorn Guy

He only seems to find ARBCA statements worthy of credence.

He’s a Good Little Party Member, isn’t he?